Wisconsin All-computer User's Club
December 2000 WAUCtalk Newletter
Volume 17, Number 12 - December 2000
Wisconsin All-computers User's club
December at a Glance
6 PC SIG, 7:00 p.m.
Super America Station
60th & Layton
Roger Brinkmeier: Comdex
December at a Glance
6 PC SIG, 7:00 p.m.
Super America Station
60th & Layton
Roger Brinkmeier: Comdex
7 WAUC General Meeting, 7:00 p.m.
Jackson Park Lutheran Church
4535 W. Oklahoma Ave.
Holiday Party12 Apple II/Apple IIGS SIG, 7:00 p.m.
Child Dev. Center of St. Joseph's
1600 W. Oklahoma Ave.13 HTML SIG, 7:00 p.m.
Corporate Technologies
9733 W. Greenfield Ave. Suite 20614 Multi-Format SIG, 7:00 p.m.
Corporate Technologies
9733 W. Greenfield Ave. Suite 20615 Deadline for submitting articles for WAUCtalk, please send to:
marieb@eudoramail.com21 Telecom SIG, 7:00 p.m.
Super America Station
60th & Layton27 Exec. Bd. Meeting 7:00 p.m.
Marcia Zientek’s Home
President’s Report
First let me start off by thanking everyone who voted in the election of officers last month and to those who volunteered to run for office. I look forward to another year of seeing WAUC grow and continue to serve its members.
Last year at this time everyone was bracing themselves for Y2K (when was the last time you heard that term?). Of course nothing happened, and we entered the year 2000 without much fanfare. This has been an interesting year for computers with the introduction of Windows 2000 and ME. People were able to get Olympic results via the Internet before the networks wanted us to. The Internet Corporation for A~ signed Names and Numbers has decided that .com, .edu, .net, .gov, and mil aren't enough anymore and that new web domains need to be added. The new ones are .biz (for business), iii (for individuals), museum (for museums), and web (for anyone). The Internet continues to grow at supersonic speed.
Enjoy the holidays and may your online shopping ventures be pleasant.
Bruce KosbabOctober Board Meeting
WAUC's executive board gathered at the home of Marcia Zientek, on October 23, 2000. Present were Bruce Kosbab, Doris Regner, Marcia, Terry Harvey, Jackie Tamsett, Marie Bellin, and Leo Hoffer.Lal Avvaru, of Corporate Technologies, LLC, has generously offered to teach an "Introduction to Computer" class. If there is enough interest, the classes will be offered the first week in January. There will be two, three hour classes. Students will be expected to attend both sessions. If interested, please see or email Terry Harvey.
The vote is in; we will have hot, sliced turkey and gravy sandwiches, and BBQ pork sandwiches at WAUC's Annual Holiday Party. The club will provide the sandwiches, soda, and paper products. Members are asked to bring a dish to pass Please remember to bring your dish ready to serve. The most preparation the party committee should have to do is to take the cover off you dish and put a fork on the plate Please do not bring anything that re quires any kind of set up by the committee.
Doris has received the WAUC personalized pens. They really turned out nice and each member will receive one when they renew their membership.
The CD's we ordered from APCUC are in and will be for sale at the general meeting. The price is $3 and the supply is limited.
Scott Sherer of Naspa has generously offered $50 to be used towards food for the holiday party.
Mark your calendars for the following presentations:
January - Dr. Levine, February - Office Depot, March - Scott Sherer of Naspa April - WAUC Annual Swap Meet
Terry HarveyThank You Naspa
A big THANK YOU to Scott Sherer, President of Naspa, for his generous donation of $50 to be used for food for the Annual WAUC Holiday Party.Missing Feedback
At the last two general meetings, free evaluation copies the Sketch Book program were made available for members. It was mentioned, because this is a new program, the company that developed this program, http://ww.LifeSketch.com were interested in any comments you could provide relative to the program.
As of this date I have not received any feedback from anyone. It is important to provide this type of information to the vendors, otherwise they will not supply us with promotional programs for evaluation. Please review the program at your earliest convenience and send your comments to me at hoffleo9@naspa.net Thank you for your cooperation.November General Meeting
President Bruce Kosbab greeted seventy-two members and ten guests at the November meeting. Some of our guests became WAUC members the night of this meeting.
Board Meeting: Terry Harvey's report is in the WAUCtaIk and there is nothing additional to report.
LifeSketch CDs: Leo told us about a Madison, WI company that has a new program allowing you to set up a photo album on your computer. The CDs are free, however; if you use the program, a short report about it would be appreciated.
Super Computer Show: Bruce Schneider liked the discount WAUC members received. WAUC members manned a table and might consider doing the same thing in the future. Leo has various programs from of the vendors on consignment that cost $5.00 each.
Holiday Party: Members were encouraged to sign up to bring a dish to pass for the holiday party in addition to the hot turkey and gravy sandwiches and BBQ pork sandwiches that WAUC will provide. Sandy Karlovich, Jackie Tamsett and Debbie Breese will co-ordinate the party.
APCUG CDs: CDs with 216 pr~ grams have arrived and will cost $3.00 per CD.
Disk of the Month: Diane Vukovich said the DOM has a program called TurboNote, which she finds very handy, also Irfanview (similar to ACDSee, but seems more versatile) and Christmas graphics. Bruce announced that Diane will no longer be doing the DOM due to scheduling conflicts. Sandy Karlovich's friend Carol Termini, will be taking he place. Diane deserved the round of applause that was extended.
Raffle Programs: Bob Banerian said the programs to be raffled were Print Artist for the Mac or PC, Home Publishing 2000, or Holiday Card Creator.
Buy/Sell: This secretary announced that Jim Sebern has an Apple Multi-cam 20" monitor made for both Mac and PC, and comes with its own PC adapter. It is in good shape, he's asking $250.00. His e-mail address is in the directory. Tom Livermore had a 56k hardware modem that Doris Regner seemed interested in.
Nominations: Nominations Chair.
Richard Moffat presided and announced the following slate of officers for 2001: President, Bruce Kosbab; Vice-president, Doris Regner: Treasurer, Bob Banerian; Secretaries, Terry Harvey and Marcia Zientek; Member-at-Large, Marie Bellin. There were no nominations from the floor for any office. The membership approved the slate of officers and there was no need for a ballot
Bruce recognized Mary Jean Malaha, Dale Voit, and Bob Gray who worked with Richard on the I nominating committee. Bruce thanked Treasurer Jackie Tamsett for her work as past secretary and welcomed Bob Banerian to the Board.
Renewals: Bmce reminded members that dues for 2001 are due and outlined some of the benefits of being a WAUC member, especially to the newcomers.
Awards: Barb Rausch and Pat Nye were awarded bags with the WAUC logo for performing duties for WAUC beyond just paying dues and attending meetings.Presentation
Ram (John Howman) and Rom (Aaron Polivka) were our guests for the evening, simulating their WISN radio program, The Computer Show, and introduced Ryan (Shadow Ram), who joined them before he was old enough to drive, and now is 21. John began by telling us how he and Aaron got into the computer business and how they eventually evolved to The Computer Show 10 years ago.
Each took turns answering questions that were submitted by members. Here are some samples:
Q: What was the dumbest thing you did on The Computer Show?
A: Firing a gun on the radio on the opening day of deer season. The management has since discontinued the practice.
Q: What is the best way to copy JPGs from incoming e-mail and pasting them into outgoing e-mail?
A. Right click on the JPG, copy and paste it into new e-mail
Q: What is the best software utility for monitoring Windows 98, and what is your opinion of Windows ME?
A: Norton Utilities had mixed reaction, but Ryan thought it doesn't ac1 accomplish all that it's hyped up to do, when Windows has internal software that can do the same thing. He thought Norton's was a waste of resources. Ryan thought 'Windows ME was not a whole lot different than Windows 98. John and Aaron have been using Windows ME and said it shut down programs faster without shutting down the whole system.
Q: How can I remove one Windows operating system when there seems to be two that needed to be shut down?
A. Aaron doubted that there were two operating systems. Having to close down twice seems to be a common problem. He said this might be caused by advanced management things not allowing the system to shut down the first time. In this case, Windows ME would be an advantage because it improves the shutdown logic.
Q: How do you keep Windows 95 running smoothly; can you clear everything out of the temp file without hurting the operation of the computer?
A: Often when deleting temp files a message comes up denying access, leaving files that keep lingering. Ryan uses a DOS command to remove those files; however most people are reluctant to use DOS. There is nothing in the temp file that can't be deleted, assuming all your applications are closed.
Q: The question was accompanied by a print screen with error messages that indicated to Aaron that the user had a Win modem.
A: No one had a kind word for Win modems. They considered them low-end technology and did not recommend them. They recommended a hardware modem.
Q: What is the best CD burning software?
A: In John's opinion Siren from Sonic Software in Madison is a high quality CD burning program. A related question dealt with hooking up from a color TV camera to a new computer. A new video card that has video input would be required. Pinnacle has software called Studio DV that plugs into the USB port and you can put in a video camera or any other RCA input from another device.
Q: An error message occurs when opening attachments in Netscape 4.7, causing the program to shut down.
A: Ryan was not a fan of Netscape, and 4.7 seems to be the end of the road for Netscape. He prefers Explorer. There was considerable discussion on the Netscape-Explorer lawsuit and the use of both products.
Q: How do you view video clips when asked if you want to download the default viewer and it doesn't work?
A: Microsoft MediaPlayer and/or RealPlayer seem to be the only two reliable devices for viewing videos. Having both would be a good idea. Ryan advised installing the device you use most often first, which for him was RealPlayer, so it will be the first device that comes up, then MediaPlayer.
Q: How do you remove start-up programs that automatically pop up without deleting the program?
A: A great utility is msinfo32 that you find by going to Start, Run and type msinfo32. That utility gives you access to everything that's going on in your system. Look for the system configuration utility and you can uncheck programs you don't want to load at start-up. You will be amazed what is loading that slows down your computer.
Q: what do you do with a 15" monitor when you want to buy a 17" monitor?
A: Donate the monitor and take a charitable donation. Seventeen-inch monitors are now becoming the standard and there's not a big difference in price.
A: Is there a difference between CD quality and their ability to work on different computers?
Q: There seems to be a correlation between CDs of the same brand as your burner. Certain drives seems to be sensitive to the media that goes into them. It's best to get a name brand instead of generic. Often the software can be at fault. Updating the software when you buy your burner should be done often, b~ cause it changes almost monthly.
A: What can you say about over-clocking?
B: Overclocking means running your processor faster than it is designed to run. Right now processors are working so fast that concern for over-clocking is minimal. One danger of overclocking is burning out your CPU. People should be more concerned about the total system configuration instead of the processor speed.
Q: Do you recommend one CD writer over another?
A: Flexstore and HP were the brands mentioned.
Q: What is your favorite game?
A: Aaron highly recommends Star Trek Voyager Elite Force. He also advised never to buy a game the first two weeks it's out. The price drops considerably after the game has been out a few weeks. He also liked Diablo II. Ryan wasn't too much into gaming, especially violent games; but he liked an older game called Kingpin. John liked driving games like SuperBike 2001, Road Rash and John Madden Football 2001.
Q: Anyone upgrading to Windows ME should not have peripherals such as Microsoft mouse or keyboard, because Windows ME does not have the drivers for those devices.
A: John didn't have that problem with those devices. Ryan advised doing some research before installing a new device to see if you have the proper drivers, then downloading them.
No one could say they didn't know a whole lot more about computers after this meeting than before. Ram, Rom and Shadow Ram kept a lively pace of questions, answers and amusing commentary that kept everyone's interest. We thank them for coming to our meeting. Thanks to Terry Harvey who initiated the contact and to Leo Hoffer who made the arrangements.
Marcia Zientek, SecretaryHTML SIG
Our Club Webmaster, Bruce Schneider, worked his magic again at the November HTML SIG. We learned how to make a greeting card easily, using no special "creator" program; only the tools already on our computers: namely MS Notepad and MS Internet Explorer.
With a Santa on the front, and a "Happy Holidays, WAUC Member" message on the inside, Bruce's finished example card measured 5.50 x 4.25 inches, and fit a standard sized envelope. This is exactly one fourth of an 8.5 x 11 sheet, but any size card can be made, being limited only by one's printer, he explained. His card was in landscape formal (horizontal), with a single fold across the top edge on a piece of colored card stock. After printing, he had folded the card, first, then trimmed the three sides later, using a straight edge and an exacto knife. This resuited in the corners matching perfectly, but leaving some scrap to be discarded.
Bruce said any image can be used regardless of it's size, as it will get resized to fit exactly on your card front, using the HTML attributes to be explained. "Of course, choose one appropriate to your greeting occasion," he advised. Bruce showed us that any image can be saved for use on a card. GIF and JPG image can be retrieved from anywhere, or from any web site, and captured for use on the card by "rightclicking" or the image, and choosing "save picture as..." from the resulting dropdown menu.
He also explained why the size of the captured image doesn't matter, as it will later be adjusted to fit properly onto the front of any size greeting card using the "height" and "width" HTML attributes. "For best resolution, it is better to reduce a "too large" image than to expand a "too small" image," he explained. His card had a quarter-inch "whitespace" margin from the edge of the I Santa image to the edge of the card on all four sides, but a "bleed" can be accomplished by increasing the height and width attributes to "just beyond the card dimensions" before the knife trimming procedure.
Because the image size is adjustable in pixel increments in this manner, he suggested purchasing the envelopes of choice and then adjusting the card size to fit, would be easier than trying to find envelopes to fit your card. He showed the HTML "tags" used to create the document containing the image to be printed on the bottom half of the card front, and the message to be printed on the bottom half of the card inside, and why that is where they are correctly placed. The "inside" verse or greeting goes on the bottom half of the reverse side. "Take the card from the printer, turn it over, keeping the leading edge first, and place it back into the paper hopper, " he explained. "Then print the other side."
He showed that when making a "quarter-fold" card, it is necessary to spin the image upside down first. I Then he showed how to enter any verse or greeting for the "inside" of the card. We learned how to use the 'font" tag attributes of "color," "size," and "face," to get that certain look for the inside message. "Use any font face on your computer," he said, "and choose a complimentary color and appropriate type-face size." One can also put a message above, or below, or alongside of the image on the front.To avoid distortion of the image, he suggested the resizing with the attributes be done proportionately. "If you change the height by 14 percent, also change the width by 14 percent, so your Santa won't look too fat or too skinny," Bruce warned. But he had made his Santa too fat, and it looked O.K. This advice is more important when using an actual photograph image. "If you need to experiment a little, use paper first, so you don't waste your expensive card stock," is good advice.
Once your HTML document has been created and saved to disk somewhere, any gif or jpg can be substituted, and the same size card will result. Simply change the attributes for a different size card. Place the image on the right side, or spin it 90 degrees, for a portrait type card. Change the font face, size, or color. Change the wording. This kind of flexibility may not be available in a program one can buy!
Bruce Schneider
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Robert & Patricia Hoffman
Gilbert Parazinski
Thomas Bolkenius
Jerry Jarcinski
Barbara Johnson
Charlotte Kosbab
Mary Sipek
Bill Vlach
Mary Ann Jacobson
Margaret Glaser
Richard Glaser
PC SIG
In November 1,2000, eighteen WAUC members attended the PC SIG held at the Super America meeting room at 6Oth and Layton.Terry demonstrated how to type envelopes for Christmas Cards using "Works 95". She stated the importance of creasing the envelopes on all four sides for ease in feeding the envelopes, one at a time, into you~ printer. She recommended using the "Signet Round font". She then demonstrated setting up the Data Base program from Microsoft Works 95, including a return address, graphic and the names/addresses of family and friends.
Terry started by setting up the Data Base Fields: 1. Title (Mr. & Mrs.), 2. First name, 3. Last name, 4 Address, City, State and Zip. She demonstrated how to drag the column line~ to increase or decrease the cell sizes. You can add fields by placing the cursor in a field and Right clicking. This will add a field. You can view your data base in List View where you see all the data entered in list form, or in Form View where you see your information as individual cards with one family's information. Save final database to a disc and/or a hard drive. Use the "Save As' command and then give the filename.
You can get to your new database by opening Works, Click "Data Base" and then open your selected file. The next step would be, in list format, to select the lines/families you will use for your cards by clicking to the left of the line and selecting each. Go to "Tools" and then "Envelopes. Enter the information as asked (envelope size and currently marked records in the database. Enter the return address information -you can change fonts and colors and font size of just this area if you choose. Terry demonstrated adding new lines to move the cursor to a different position. She also demonstrated how to change the fonts and font sizes (20) and color for mailing addresses. She pressed enter at the beginning of the name to lower placement of the address on the envelope. You can also space before each field to move the addresses more to the right. To see the placement on an envelope, Terry cut paper to the size of the envelope and drew a "V' to mark the flap position. She used these papers to practice the direction and size of the envelope and the placement of the text and graphics before doing the "real thing".
Terry suggested doing the graphics after the text is all set in place. To do this she minimized the "Works" program and opened "Print Artist”. She used the Card size template and used a small graphic or decreased the size of the selected graphic. She "Copied" the graphic, minimized the "Print Artist" program, Maximized the "Works" program and used the p space bars and arrow keys to move the "Pasted" graphic on the envelope. She stated you needed to test print to adjust the graphics and texts, as what you see on the screen does I not always match the printed product.
Terry and Doris Regner then discussed differences between using Works vs. Word, Excel, etc. Doris then demonstrated how to do the same using "Word" She demonstrated "ACDsee, a graphics viewer, and she imported her graphic to "Paint". She then resized the graphic, opened the finished graphic in Works, and was able to resize it there. The graphic lost quality with the change. Terry suggested using "Print Artist" to print a catalog of fonts by going to"File", "Print fonts" and use the "Econo Quality" to print out a book of Fonts.
The question of using "Home Publishing Program" for envelopes was discussed. The sizes of envelopes are limited and one should use the "sign" format to get the graphics to the edge of the envelope.
This SIG provided lots of great information.
Joan Machtel
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The Multi4ormat SIG was held Thursday, Nov 9th, at Corporate Technologies, at 9733 W. Greenfield Ave., West Allis, at 7 pm.Terry Harvey started the evening showing the Print Artist Program. Diane brought in a wedding invitation she made and Terry showed how to change text with script font. She showed personalized note pads she made for her family, that she took to Kinkos to be cut and glued for 75 cents a pad of 100 sheets. She showed Christmas cards and gift tags made from folded business cards. She showed us a match box she made, and talked about different grades of paper. She brought a lunch bag with a graphic printed and demonstrated how to put a candle in it for an outdoor luminary.
Doris makes her own templates out of the sign program. She had templates for #10 envelopes and 1/4 fold cards. Her templates are more accurate than the ones on the program. And, they can be adjusted.
Diane showed samples of photo paper and Hewlett-Packard paper. She also had craft and baby shower gift boxes and cards she made and printed on photo cardstock.
Sandy brought Christmas cards she made decorated with Sparkle diamond dust bought from Accents. She also brought a purchased card, which she printed the inside m~ sage and signed her name. She showed us how to take a wide font color and customize it and change it to two colors.
Carol Termini showed some awe-some Christmas cards she had made from American Greetings, Create a Card and Print Artist which she lined with contrasting paper and trimmed with decorative edged scissors.
It was a very informative and interesting meeting, the ladies did a great job of teaching the Print Artist program.
Natalie SchneiderIt's That Time Again
Time to send in your WAUC membership dues. Please complete the membership application included in your November WAUCtaIk. We would like to update our files. All renewals will receive a WAUC personalized pen.Applell/ApplelIGS SIG
Those in attendance at our November 7th SIG were Richard Durand, Tony Reale, Sister Samuel, Mary Sopek, Jim Gustavson, Pat Nye and Dick Reinhard.Mary brought along some disks for an Apple lIe which she has. She wanted to check out just what she had, and which of the disks might be of real use to her. We previewed some of the disks, and then Mary and Richard busied themselves with the lie and the tutorial program Richard brought with him.
Dick said he wondered what all the icons on the Appleworks IIGS pr~ gram represented, so we did a review of each. Dick says he found in AWGS, that to run a total on a column you would click at the top of the column and drag down to the end of the column, and it would show the total of the column.
Dick also wondered what "Can't read ProDOS" meant. Jim explained that it meant the disk could not run by itself, that the system disk must be put in first.
Jim also demonstrated erasing and initializing a disk to copy to it and then walked us through the process of copying a program to the disk. He also added some additional programs to Sister Samuel’s IIGS and then showed her how to add sound at the entrance of the program or the ejection if she so desired.
Glad to have Jim back after a few months absence, as he always adds so much to our SIGs and can always answer ALL of our questions
We also want to wish one of our usual group members, Becky Becker, our very best and hope that her long hospital stay 'will soon be over. We hope that she will be able to join us again in the not too distant future. Becky, keep in touch!
Pat Nye
October Telecom SIG
Telecom SIG meeting held, on October 19th, at Super America Station at 60th and Layton. There were 7 men and 6 women in attendance.Doris fielded a couple of questions before the meeting started. She asked that, if possible, members send her their questions before the meeting so that she could be better prepared.
Tom Livermore took over the presentation for a short time to show us how email can be filtered. You can manage your e-mail so that certain mail will go directly to trash. Periodically, you then go to your Trash or Recycle Bin and permanently remove. Once you get on some mail lists it is difficult to get your-self removed. This is a way of handling the situation. To do this you go to Edit - Manage Filters - New - Filter Rules and here you fill in the information for the e-mail you wish filtered.
Tom also told us that to keep your incoming email under control you can also sort it as it comes in and send it to specifically named files. When you have a lot of incoming email this permits you to read the files with the most important mail first. In this case you would go to File -New - Name it, and then in the task bar go to File.
The laptop was then turned back to Doris and Leo had a question about the trouble he was having printing email. It was suggested that he go to the URL of the maker of his printer and get the latest drivers down-loaded. You should regularly down-load the updates for your drivers-especially the video driver.
Doris then demonstrated how you could use the arrows on your email screen to expand the screen so you can read all the information contained there.Carol asked about sending attachments. There are a number of ways to send attachments but Doris demonstrated perhaps the easiest method - that of simply clicking on the paper clip and then locating the file that you 'wish to send.
Some people do not like to use the "forward" feature of e-mail. Instead you have the option of "Copy and Paste" or you can use “Reply" and merely change the addressee. Doris then brought up her animated chicken to show that to forward animation you must use "Forward."
The comment was made that it is difficult to catch the moving figure to "copy". You do not need to actually put your cursor on the figure--any place along the path will do.
Many of these topics have been covered in previous WAUCtaIk articles. You can go to Delphi and pull up old copies of WAUCtaIk by date and look for the articles on various computer subjects. The subject of animation was covered in the August issue.
Doris then demonstrated how a graphic can be imported and moved (centered, left justified, etc.) For another date, Doris will work on how to make different presentations by printing around a graphic.
The question was asked whether you must have Print Artist to open a JPG. The answer was that everyone with Windows has the pr6gram'Paint and you can open JPGs in Paint as well as Print Artist.
Leo then submitted a CD he had received at a meeting showing Smart Board. It was interesting but a product that would not be practical for WAUC. It was more for use for a classroom or business presentation.
It was a good meeting. Glad I attended.
Nancy SetlockComputer Experts
WAUC thanks all their computer experts who staffed the FREE ADVICE table at the Supercomputer Show on October 6th, 7th, and 8th. This was the first time Blue Star Productions has ever offered this service, and WAUC was the first group they contacted. We did so well, this program will be expanded at Super Computer Shows around the country.Bob Banerian WAY TO GO!!! You are greatly appreciated. We have been invited back for the next show to be held the last weekend of the year. We are also appreciative of Blue Star Productions who gave all WAUC mernbers discount coupons for this show.
Chris Bellin
Marie Bellin
Roger Brinkmeier
David Glish
Terry Harvey
Leo Hoffer
Sandy Karlovich
Bruce Kosbab
Bill Regner
Doris Regner
Ron Stykel
Jackie Tamsett
Dennis Wilson
Beginning Balance $3370.74 Income Membership Dues 495.00 Rebates 75.00 Paper Sales 11.05 PC DOM 21.00 Raffle 24.00 D.Regner/Apple Sales 10.00 APCUG CD Sales 86.00 Total Income 722.05 Expenses Marcia Zientek Postage/Directories 139.70 Marie Belin Newsletter Printing 79.20 Terry Harvey Door Prizes 62.00 Doris Regner Brouchures/Sweatshirts 26.93 Amsterdam Printing Promotional Pens 105.13 Total Expenses 412.96 Ending Balance $3679.83
Updated: December 9, 2000
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